Curse

Iscana · Nov 13, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I have Guild Wars since it came out and really love to do PvE. Now since a few weeks I'm getting into PvP because Anet says it's really nice to do it and it's a complete another way of playing Guild Wars.

Now yes it's a totally new way, but it's just a hell compared to PvE. No I'm not complaining about factions, exp or how hard it is, but there's a factor which is getting worser day by day and I can't do a crap about it then just see it and being a victim every time again.

I join Random Arena with a char build I made, pretty happy and excited how it would turn out. When the loading screen fades away I see I'm the only person in my team, were the hell is everyone? So gates open and boem I'm a victim of leavers. Again do battle and excited again, afther loading screen I see I'm with just 1 another person, rest?? left :/ ooh wait maybe they download? Well the gate opens and yes the left and were not downloading and again I'm a victim.

Now ok if this happens me 2 or 3 times, no problem, but I freaking joined 25 times the arena and 15 times I was a victim of leavers which 3 times I was totally alone and 12 times with 1 another person. Now is this work of anoying bots or just people who have no life and anoye people with this or just a bug that kicks out people.
A day afther these 25 tries I did 8 tries and again 5 times I was with 1 another person and 2 times totally alone.

Yes I normally like PvP, but omg maybe I sounds like a person who has no life, but come on I just try this PvP and all I get are freaking leavers. Please Anet could you please take a look at this problem. Maybe I'm the only person who has this problem, but I can hardly inmagine no one else have seen this unless they are the source of doing this. It seams I've got a sign on top of my char saying 'Leave of I hack you'.

Btw this does not only happen with PvP arena's but also with Factions battles. Once I was with 3 person in a 12 vs 12 battle, come on this sucks. The record I have now was 4 times on a row being in a battle with just 3 persons in 12 vs 12.

Maybe Anet should punishe people who leave a match with draining there factions or something, and if these are bots, ban them for life. >

I hope I can continue PvP soon again when there is a solution, right now I stopped afther being a victim for a few days now. I just wasn't able to play a normal PvP for 1 day without 5 matches being alone.

Pff big load of text, but it really anoyes me, maybe I'm just wining and do you guys think, 'get a life' but seriously I can hardly imagine no one else ever met this, else I just never do PvP again.

Amen to this.

shadowmist · Nov 13, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Often those 'leavers' just didn't load into the map. With nightfalls semi-new now, and the server load a bit less, there should be less of those problems. Of course, there are also people who leave to spite others. That's fairly stupid, but since it's hard to determine who leaves because they're being mean, because they have something that came up, or because they just didn't make it, Anet can't just go and hand out a bunch of penalties. I know my internet has been a bit unreliable these past few days (disconnecting and reconnecting every 30 secs...) though I stuck to PvE so I don't annoy players, I wouldn't want to be penalized for something I had no control over.

duverga · Nov 13, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Iscana

but I freaking joined 25 times the arena and 15 times I was a victim of leavers which 3 times I was totally alone and 12 times with 1 another person.

Do you load really slowly? Because it sounds like your team has given up on you and left, not wanting to be 3 vs 4, by the time you enter the arena...

Nestaron · Nov 13, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Sounds like you have a painfully slow connection. Failing that...

It's RA, it's what happens there... People join, if they don't get a Monk or a balanced team they just leave and enter again. If you had GW since it came out you shoud be able to access TA without having to go through RA... If my memory serves me right that is! Only problem with TA is people mostly look for specific builds so getting into a team can be challenging.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 13, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I don't think ANet should get into this at all because it's really just a reputation issue on the part of players and that's why we have community to police that kind of stuff. Anet is busy enough with the "over the top" behavior of players.

Blizzard implemented a "Deserter Buff" in WoW but it hasn't worked out very smoothly. The buff prevents reentry into another PvP match for a certain period of time.

The Herbalizer · Nov 13, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

ive pvped tons in random arena and never had this problem..... I usually load and have a full team maybe one in every 10 games someone will leave at the start.

The Pointless · Nov 13, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Meh. Simple solution. Prevent Map Travel until the fight is over. Maybe then those idiots will learn to try playing a bad hand...

Enchanted Warrior · Nov 13, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

GW will more than likely NOT get involved. Why? They have no proof of wrong doing. You say they quit, they say their dog pulled the tv off the shelf etc.. Prove otherwise.. That coupled with not wanting to upset ANY paying customer. And sadly the yoyos paid too. so they remain neutral and say "that's terible we'll look into it". And then see what is on tv. Nothing else they can do. Heroes are a step, but many play an MMORPG to have fun with other like minded players. That sadly is slowly being negated. At the risk of sounding trite, "Join a guild and stick to doing stuff with guildies".

c_ras · Nov 13, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

One thing you might want to check to see if a great majority is of one guild. Check the tags closely at the beginning. I have noticed that a couple of people in a guild go to Random Arenas, get on TS/Vent, press the Start button all at the same time. This ensures a good chance they will get on the same team. A lot of people do this to help someone unlock Team Arenas. If the person(s) needs Team Arena unlocked is on the opposing team with random people, the other guildies on the other side simply just leave and then enter again to get in the next battle so that that person gets the win again and again. They keep doing this for the person until TA is unlocked. A lot of people also do this to build up Glad points. Is it unfair? Yes!! Will ANet do something about it? Probably not! Just something you might want to look for. If you see if happening, just leave and try back in a little bit. People always find a way around things.

spellsword · Nov 13, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

They shouldn't do anything about the leavers themselves, if someone want's to quit the game for whatever reason at any time, they shouldn't be penaltized for it.

The consequences of leavers for others is what they should do something about. Auto-replacement with a hench is a solution that was suggested countless times.

Zubey · Nov 13, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

I think that someone who leaves a match should not be able to join a new one for 2 minutes.

It'd deter people who quickly hop in and out, ruining teams, until they selfishly find a team that looks good to them.

Ruby Lightheart · Nov 13, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

i absolutely hate it when i get leavers. And i firmly believe that Anet should install a timer that would prevent someone from joining in another match for 10 minutes if that person leaves a team. I do understand that some will get caught in this by disconnects but this is somethign that really needs taken care of. Not a day goes by when I dont have at least 4 leavers in the first 30 minutes i try pvp

Chilly Ress · Nov 13, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Iscana

...which is getting worser day by day and I can't do a crap about it then just see it and being a victim every time again.

gg

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Originally Posted by Iscana

I join Random Arena with a char build I made, pretty happy and excited how it would turn out. When the loading screen fades away I see I'm the only person in my team, were the hell is everyone? So gates open and boem I'm a victim of leavers. Again do battle and excited again, afther loading screen I see I'm with just 1 another person, rest?? left :/ ooh wait maybe they download? Well the gate opens and yes the left and were not downloading and again I'm a victim.

Dial up ftl maybe?

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Originally Posted by Iscana

Now ok if this happens me 2 or 3 times, no problem, but I freaking joined 25 times the arena and 15 times I was a victim of leavers which 3 times I was totally alone and 12 times with 1 another person. Now is this work of anoying bots or just people who have no life and anoye people with this or just a bug that kicks out people.
A day afther these 25 tries I did 8 tries and again 5 times I was with 1 another person and 2 times totally alone.

Don't believe it, prove me wrong.

Iscana · Nov 13, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Chilly Ress

Dial up ftl maybe?

You're joking right, who on earth plays today ORPG's without more then 1mbit adsl? Anyways about loading, no that was tottally not the issue why people left my team. I got 3mbit connection at home and the maps load incredible fast. So connection and loading has totally nothing to do with my problem.

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Originally Posted by Chilly Ress

Don't believe it, prove me wrong.

How you want me to prove it? well? record it with fraps, yeah sure then they leave becuase my pc would have fps problems then because of the recording and yeah then they leave. And then you would say, yeah see it was his loading time.

The idea of leaving and not being able to join another one for minutes would be a good solution. Since when you lost connection, you really don't bother for those 2 minutes unless you did it with purpose, but yes then it's punishement. Disable maptraveling would be a good option as well.

Gigashadow · Nov 13, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Zubey

I think that someone who leaves a match should not be able to join a new one for 2 minutes.

It'd deter people who quickly hop in and out, ruining teams, until they selfishly find a team that looks good to them.

Yes, that would be a good idea. 2-3 minutes is a short enough punishment that it doesn't screw over anyone who legitimately disconnected, who will take almost that long to get going again anyway. If someone disconnects in such a way 15+ times within an hour, you can increase the delay to maybe 4 minutes.

A well designed player reputation system would solve the problem. It's difficult to implement a good one though.

Tranquilis · Nov 14, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Iscana

You're joking right, who on earth plays today ORPG's without more then 1mbit adsl? Anyways about loading, no that was tottally not the issue why people left my team. I got 3mbit connection at home and the maps load incredible fast. So connection and loading has totally nothing to do with my problem.

OK, so you're nice and fast.

Not everyone is so fortunate, and you'd (apparantly) be surprised how many people do not have access to high speed lines, even in this day and age. There's still quite a lot of the world that isn't up to a fully wired status, even inside large modern nations - The USA most certainly included. I also personally know dial-up players from Austrailia, the UK, Brazil, and Canada.

Anyway, connection speed isn't your issue, it seems. I'm rather bemused with the numbers you're reporting, I've personnally not ever seen anything even remotely like you're describing - yah, there's been a few leavers, but rarely, IME. Might I suggest that you're the victim of random ill-chance?

Taurucis · Nov 14, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Yeah, something once dropped a rare for me inside a Lever so I couldn't pick -

Oh wait, wrong lever.

There are some people in RA who just join in and then leave. I've seen one at work before (she joined the game on my team and left. We lost so I went back in, she was on the other team and she left) And my brother says that there's this idiot who leaves if the team doesn't have a monk.

Personally I don't think Anet should start demolishing leavers, but that small wait before joining another game sounds good.

Just wondering, is your character level 20? I've seen "completely perfect" teams break up because one of them is level 19.

0mar · Nov 14, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

/notsigned

What's next, penalizing suiciders? After that's out of the way, people with bad builds? It's RA, you're not supposed to take it seriously.

allience · Nov 14, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

what a stupid topic. if u have such a problem don't play ra. just play something else with henchies. humans are humans and it's a personal choice to leave or stay no matter what the reason is.

Sofonisba · Nov 14, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

I think the 2-5 minute penalty for leaving a match is reasonable. Those who accidentally d/c will take that long to reboot anyway, and most matches are over within 5 minutes so it might encourage a potential leaver to stay and see how it works out.

I think that someone who says, “Just don’t play RA,” is being unreasonable. Do I have to go into all the reasons why a person might want to play RA vs TA or HA or GvG?

People leave for the slightest provocation. No monk, a slow loader, a level 19 on the team, etc. One time as an R/N, I was experimenting with a beastmaster build and happened to be holding a staff. Had a guy on my team say, “touchers are f-ing pathetic” and he left before the match started. I whispered him, and told my team, I wasn’t even a toucher, but we lost anyway 3 v 4. (Cause we all know that touchers work best with a pet...)

I’ve also experienced the people who enter and leave trying to get on the same team. It was at Shiverpeaks arena so it was more likely to work, but these were 3 people who screwed up every single match for everyone else on their teams for quite a while. I caught their convo in the arena lobby so I knew that was what they were up to. Reported to ANet with screenies that these people were griefers (yeah, call me a whiner) but they did make an aspect of the game completely unplayable as long as they were in there. Is that right?